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MAGAZINE No. 1
General Secretary: Michael May
Membership Secretary and
Magazine Editor: Neil Webster
Treasurer: John Sanderson
Other Committee Members: Geoff Bambrough: Jon Davis: George Calvert:
Michael Guy: John Glossop: Tom Helliwell
Meetings are held
at: 2, Lindsay Close, Sheffield at 19.00hrs on Saturdays
NOTES FROM THE
We are pleased to
present the first edition of our society journal and hope that it
will be the first of many.
The success of the society depends on you, the members and we will
be hoping for your whole hearted support on visits and meetings in
the months to come.
At first our activities will be limited, we cannot run before we can
walk, and we hope for your understanding during this initial period.
As you may know, one of our main aims is to become respected in
areas where other societies have caused ill feeling with both the
authorities and their own members in the past, and the committee
hope that you will support us in this aim.
We are only too pleased to listen to complaints about any of our
visits and to suggestions for future ones, or indeed complaints
about how the society is being run.
A programme of visits is currently being compiled from suggestions
You will find enclosed with this magazine a supply of Membership
Forms and we would be obliged if you would pass these on to people
who you think may be interested in joining us, for to be successful
we need more members than at present.
However we do not intend to grow too large so that we cannot give
personal service to all our members.
Indeed, so that the committee may meet more of the members we are
arranging Slide Shows at various centres for later in the year.
Finally we would like to apologise for the quality and content of
this magazine, but this is due to the difficult conditions under
which it has had to be produced and a general lack of persons
willing to make a contribution.
All contributions should be sent to NEIL WEBSTER, to reach him no
later than 1st March.
Any contribution is welcome to try and make the magazine better.
Neil Webster –
8th January 1975
many of you will know, negotiations have been in hand for a visit to
the Doncaster Division sheds and also Doncaster Works by coach.
However, due to the fact that the cost of the coach would make the
trip far too expensive, we have decided to run a visit to Doncaster
Works and shed only instead.
This is the only visit that is definitely confirmed so far, but
members will be informed by means of a circular when other visits
have been fixed.
Negotiations are in progress for a trip to York Carriage Works and
shed, and also Doncaster and Scunthorpe signal boxes, Frodingham
shed and Yard.
Also out shortly should be programme of Holiday Preview Excursions
for the Sheffield area, and we hope to arrange block bookings for
some of these in conjunction with shed permits etc.
Neil Webster – Fixtures Secretary
FEB 1975 – DONCASTER WORKS & DEPOT
Visit to Doncaster Works and Depot only. Meet Doncaster Station
Cost will be: 15p payable in advance only.
All booking please to Fixtures Secretary by Monday 17th
hope to make this a regular feature in future editions, and so
negotiations are in hand with BR for access to official material.
thus, rather than bore you with age old allocations that you must
have seen before, there will be no allocations printed in this
issue, but a promise of really up to date stuff in the future.
Available this week will be our new booklet “SHUNTERS”. Priced at
10p it is the only accurate guide to BR stabling
points available today.
Orders to the Treasurer please with a 5p stamp to cover postage.
of our members are known to be interested in coaching stock and so
we have decided a regular feature on the subject.
To make this successful we would be grateful if those members who
use this information would, in turn, send us details of vehicles
which have been condemned, transferred from one region to another,
or modified in any way.
We must have this information to be able to continue with these
articles, as it cannot be obtained from official sources.
To start with we are publishing, as the initial article, a list of
vehicles taken from the RCTS book “The Coaching Stock of British
Railways”, but have since been condemned.
E3785, E3887, W4237, E4556, E4602, E4618, SC13201, W13360, E15497,
E15601, M15684, E15702, E15708, E15729, E24005, E24016, M24068,
M24090, M24107, M24179, E24231, E24259, M24285, E24347,
E24368,M24391, E24397, M24422, E24455, E24506, E24604, E24767,
E24782, E24788, E24822, E24829, M24862, E24875, M25111, M25179,
E25655, SC25668, M34005, M34031, M34042, M34101, M34104, M34139,
M34365, SC34717, E34735, E34862, E43010, E43112, E43151, E48013,
E48015, E48018, W92034, W92110, E144E, E70373E, E70390E, E70486E,
E70526E, E70664E, E70751, M31007M, 31096M, M31314M, W3448W, W3265W,
Next article will include details of ant further vehicles which have
been condemned and also the regional reallocations which have taken
place since the RCTS book was published.
Please do not forget that this article relies solely on members
notes, Neil cannot be everywhere to see everything, no matter how
hard he may try.
Class 45 renumbering to become known are as follows:- 45148 = 130;
45149 = 135; 45150 = 45054 . To confirm this scheme class 45/0 No.95 is
currently in Derby Works marked to appear as 45052.
Winter engineering work has again led to use of the Woodhead route
between Sheffield and Manchester on Sundays until 16.00hrs. Trains
are still DMU worked in the main, but interesting workings are the
Manchester-St. Pancras trains and their return workings which are
loco hauled, usually by Class 45/6’s.
The interest lies in the fact that two locos are used between
Sheffield Midland and Woodbourn Junction with one loco being each
end to facilitate the reversal, perhaps a unique manoeuvre on BR
On the DMU side, the 09.25 and 19.15 return from Liverpool to
Sheffield are still worked by an Allerton based 4-car set.
Other engineering work on the LMR Western Lines means that Sunday
services between Preston and Carlisle will be diverted by Blackburn
and Hellifield, and in consequence will be diesel hauled.
This may provide some interesting workings, as it is possible as it
is possible that the trains could include the electric loco being
hauled with the pantograph down and also utilise some motive power
which normally only sees passenger train use in the summer.
A reshuffle of the timetable on the Midland Lines is to take place
A new early morning service will be introduced between Sheffield and
St. Pancras at 06.06 (SO), 06.10 (SX). The existing 14.52 to
Nottingham will be cancelled, the 15.00 will once again run via
Nottingham and a new train to London will run via the Erewash Valley
In the reverse direction, the “Master Cutler” will leave at 17.22,
but there will still be a train to Sheffield at 18.05.
Air conditioned rolling stock will be used on the “Master Cutler”,
and other services are due for early conversion to this type of
The Thames Clyde Express” will run via Beattock instead of the G&SWR
route, but will be formed of Mk1 vacuum braked stock and in
consequence will have to be hauled by Class 81-5 between Glasgow and
visit to Slade Green on 29th December revealed that this
depot does overhauls on Class 33 locomotives. 33058/9 were receiving
new cabs to replace damaged ones and 33052 was jacked up receiving
bogie attention. 03197, the shunter allocated there was shunting
units in the yard.
Two visits to Norwood Junction on December 29th and January 1st
revealed 23 locos to be stabled there in each case. This continues
to be the SR stabling point in London where most locos can be seen
on Saturday evening and Sunday s.
The normally elusive Class 71 locos did not prove to be so on the
first day of the New Year, when all were observed in a 3hr. 40min.
spell. 71002/3/5/7/12 could be seen at Stewarts Lane at 07.30. 71014
worked the “Night Ferry” through Rochester, 71010 was stabled at
Gillingham, 71004/11 were at Ashford Station stabling point and last
but not least, 71001 was on Chart Leacon shed. Later in the day
71012 worked into Hither Green.
A visit to the Isle of Wight on 28th December showed
shunter 05001 to be at work on a PW train at Shanklin, whilst
several units were stored out of service at Sandown station and also
in the sidings between St. John’s and Brading.
Also some units have been reformed and there is no longer a unit
The future of the railway on the island must be in doubt as more of
the ex. “LT” units become life expired.
The former yard at Feltham has now been lifted, but the shed still
stands in a somewhat decrepit condition. The site of the yard has
been sold for development as an industrial estate. Modifications are
also taking place at Ascot where several platforms and connections
are secured out of use.
Withdrawal of 52 and 35 continue but “35” No. 7022 has recently been
reinstated for further service and was observed working an oil train
at Reading on 30th December.
Other workings through the station showed classes 47 and 50 to be
in charge of all trains on the Bristol and South Wales services, but
a few class 52’s on the West of England workings.
This is due to the fact that West of England trains do not require
electric heating, which is essential with the other types of stock
on the other lines.
Although the WR perennially complains about its supposed motive
power shortage and cites class 50 unreliability to be the reason for
this, it is often interesting to note that about a third of the
remaining “Westerns” are often out of traffic at Laira, and nowhere
near this proportion of 50’s is ever noted out of traffic at any one
Noted at Old Oak Common on 1st January was shunter 08108
presumably transferred from Derby in exchange for a shunter suitable
for fitting Dual/Air brakes.
The turntable here is now closed, and is a sign of things to come.
DMU 252 001 was in the former Pullman shed under a heavy security
Car numbers of this set are: W43000; W41002; W41000; W40500; W40000;
W42002; W42000; W42001; W43001; Spare; W41001
43000 and 43001 are formerly 41001 and 41002 respectively. The
numbers of these units will be set numbers, as on SR units. The
production series of these units for the WR will be numbered 253
001-27. Motor coaches are to be built a Crewe, and trailer coaches
at Derby Litchurch Lane works.
Oxford depot has been reduced in status to a stabling point, and
thus the former allocation of shunters has been transferred to
Reading for maintenance purposes.
Therefore Reading now supplies shunters for Oxford Road and Didcot.
visit to Scotland by rail on 16th November, 178
locomotives were seen as follows:- Carstairs 3; Motherwell 20;
Hamilton 2; Glasgow Central 7; Queen Street 6; Polmadie 33;
Larkfield 1; Eastfield 57; Cadder Yard 4; Grangemouth 10; Falkirk
Grahamston 2; Haymarket 29; Edinburgh Waverley 3; Craigentinny 1.
Cadder Yard has now been rationalised and many services transferred
to Mossend and Sighthill. The down yard has closed completely and
all trains are now handles in the former up yard, which will
continue in use for the time being for the West Highland lines, MGR
trains and for stabling vehicles awaiting entry into Glasgow Works.
The Inter-City DMU’s which have latterly been in store at Millerhill
have been moving South for cannibalisation. Two are at South
Gosforth, one at Botanic Gardens, one at Hammerton Street and eight
at Swindon Works.
At least one further example of the buffet cars of this type has
found further use at the Strathspey Railway.
Also moving South are Cravens driving trailers, latterly in store at
56479 was noted at Heaton Carriage sidings on 14th
December and 56464 is at Derby Research Centre. The present location
of 56479 would be appreciated.
alterations in May will lead to 15 mins. being added to the schedule
of all Scottish trains to enable engineering work to take place.
Also some time may be added to schedules in the London Area in
connection with the suburban electrification.
Apart from Class 40’s and 47’s, Scottish Region locos are not very
common visitors to North East.
The only regular turn is the 3E03 parcels, which arrives in
Newcastle just before midnight and changes engines there.
Recent examples of Type 2’s on this train are 24065/95 and 25246
Classes 26/7 are very rare indeed on this working.
Visitors to Sheffield on 7th January were 47121 (BR) and
40072 (YK), the latter working 1Z74 Newcastle-Birmingham relief.
For the above we
are indebted to N.E. Webster, G. Calvert and P. Fox.